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Ichliebe Deutschasked for translation 7 years ago
How to translate? (ru-en)

На столе лежала раскрытая книга, которую никто не читал

User translations (3)

  1. 1.

    On the table lay an open book, which nobody was reading.

    translation added by •-<(||=ULY=||)>- •
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  2. 2.

    On the table there was an open book, which nobody was reading.

    translation added by Elena Bogomolova
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  3. 3.

    there was an opened book on the table which nobody has read

    translation added by Эля Фомина
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Discussion (33)

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 7 years ago

Александр, хитрый Вы. Так все могут ))

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

А шо? Из контекста явно не видно, читал её кто-то прямо там или не читал вообще. Поэтому Ваш Nobody read на мой взгляд самое подходящее.

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

Кстати, Устойчивое выражение - open book, а не opened book. Это я к Ichliebe Deutsch

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

Which, это когда из какого-то набора, из двух книг, например. В данном случае, надо That

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 7 years ago

Вот я насчет that сомневалась. Не звучит это как "книга, которая..."?

•-<(||=ULY=||)>- •added a comment 7 years ago

The thing is that "that" would focus too much on the book and not on the situation - the fact that nobody was reading it. If, conversely, the book was important because of a specific detail, then "that" would sound better: "On the table lay open the book that I had given her the day before."

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 7 years ago

I see. What I'm trying to understand is "which" and "that" can be both used in Nominative and accusative clauses, right?
And what about the tense - if nobody just read in general, for some time, can Past Simple be used?

•-<(||=ULY=||)>- •added a comment 7 years ago

The problem is that if you mention any kind of element that suggests "for some time" then the perfect has to be used.

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

As for me, I'm pulling my hair out of my *** and pour it with ashes😫

grumbleradded a comment 7 years ago

Uly, а порядок слов почему необычный?

Tatiana Gerasimenkoadded a comment 7 years ago

Да, меня тоже конверсия интересует)

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

Шо такого? На то она и конверсия...

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

"Above the fireplace was the portrait of the Duke" - это пример из Advanced Grammar in Use, Martin Hewings. Там целый раздел есть - Inversion

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

"In an armchair sat his mother" - это тоже оттуда

grumbleradded a comment 7 years ago

Спасибо, посмотрю.

Alexander Аkimovadded a comment 7 years ago

В приведенных примерах речь идёт не о том, кто что делал и что где висело, а описывается картина, обстановка. При basic word order было бы His mother sat in an armchair, и это никак не могло бы иметь отношения к описываемой обстановке. Короче, инверсия позволяет сместить акценты и в данном случае работает на художественный образ

Tatiana Gerasimenkoadded a comment 7 years ago

Ах, простите, конечно, ИНверсия)

•-<(||=ULY=||)>- •added a comment 7 years ago

Александр все прекрасно объяснил)

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