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Татьяна Жаворонковаспросил перевод 6 years ago
Как перевести? (en-ru)

have someone on one's knees

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    Поставить кого-то на колени.

    Перевод добавил Russ S
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    have someone on their knees

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    Перевод добавил ⁌ ULY ⁍
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⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Russ, that looks like you're making someone kneel. TO HAVE SOMEONE ON THEIR KNEES means to have them at your or someone else's mercy, in a position of total powerlessness. "The coronavirus has escalated into a pandemic and presently has the world on its knees." Tatiana, perhaps you can help us with a proper translation?

Russ Sдобавил комментарий 6 years ago

What you are describing above sounds in Russian as "Поставить кого-то на колени"

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

👍🏼

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Yes, we use it both literally and figiratevely.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Good to know))

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

We don’t. We use MAKE SOMEONE KNEEL/TAKE THE KNEE/GET ON THEIR KNEES in the literal sense, and HAVE SOMEONE ON THEIR KNEES in the figurative.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Good to know too!)) 👍

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Also, it’s important to note that there are two interpretations possible: (1) the moment you BRING SOMEONE TO THEIR KNEES as a momentary action; and (2) the resulting state/condition of HAVING SOMEONE ON THEIR KNEES.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

(1) Last month, the coronavirus brought the city of NY to its knees. (2) The coronavirus has the city of NY on its knees as death tolls continue to mount.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

The correct Russian translation will refer to this state and not to the initial act.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

That's probably why I wouldn't like поставить на колени in a Russian version of your snippet.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Exactly, That was my thought all along. It doesn’t look right.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

There must be an expression in Russian that means to be at the mercy of someone

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

So if we're not referring to the moment when you make the person get on their knees, but to the state of being in a helpless state/at the mercy of someone or something, how would this be translated? For instance: The coronavirus has the city of NY on its knees.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Нью-Йорк во власти коронавируса.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Interestingly, поставить на колени refers both to the moment you bring someone to their knees and the resulting state of having someone on their knees. So Russ' translation is actually correct. It just doesn't sit right with me in your example. I even googled вирус поставил на колени, which gave no results.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

That’s interesting because this expression is mostly used in the figurative sense to refer to a state. So I’m not doubting the correctness of Russ’ translation, just whether it accurately reflects what the expression refers to in actual use.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Funny enough, someone yet used вирус поставил на колени referring to a situation in China, but with quite another kind of virus. So you can hypothetically use it, if you like. I don't.))

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

If you don’t like the example with the virus, replace it with a heatwave. That’s not what’s in question here - it’s the presentation of the situation as a state of being, and not an initial act. “A record heatwave has the city of New York on its knees.”

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Expressions with HAVE SOMEONE... refer to putting someone in a certain situation and keeping them there, like a prisoner.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

“My son HAS ME WORRYING about him all the time with his constant drinking.”

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

Uly, you made me realize that a lot of Russian verbs/verbal expressions, albeit being perfective, can refer to both bringing someone to a particular state and for them being in that particular state, e. g. поработил, подавил and so on.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Ok, that’s what I suspected. In other words, this expression can refer to both BRINGING someone to their knees and HAVING them there?

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

>>“My son HAS ME WORRYING about him all the time with his constant drinking.”
Aha! This kind of sentence has always been a challenge. On the one part, you want to keep this "has me worrying" and, naturally, translate as заставляет меня волноваться/беспокоиться за него. On the other hand, заставляет (or whatever) + another word isn't something that sounds really natural in Russian. So I'd interpret that as Я постоянно волнуюсь беспокоюсь за сына, потому что он пьёт/злоупотребляeт алкоголем. In Russian, this simple structure implies both the reason for me to worry and my condition due to that reason.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Yes, I think that’s the only way to express it in Russian. It basically means to take someone to a certain point and keep them there.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 6 years ago

>>Ok, that’s what I suspected. In other words, this expression can refer to both BRINGING someone to their knees and HAVING them there?
Exactly!))

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Cool 😎

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 6 years ago

Now Russ should add his translation correcting the original English to THEIR knees because having someone on ONE’S knees means sitting them on your lap.

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